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Gary Anderson
 IP: 24.205.208.175 Jul 28, 05 - 2:14 PM |
Post Dispensationalism Issues Here
Post your arguments relating to dispensationalism here. |
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Gary The Crusader Is NOT Gary Anderson
IP: 64.12.116.201 Apr 12th, 2007 - 10:22 AM |
Dispensationalism - WHAT I BELIEVE
I believe that in order to understand the Bible, it must be Rightly Divided according to II Tim. 2:15. I believe that while all the Bible was written FOR US, it was not all written TO US, nor was it all written ABOUT us as members of the Body of Christ. Therefore, I use the Dispensational method of Bible study. That is, I distinguish between things that differ, as well as correlate things that are alike. I believe that while God Himself never changes ---- He does change His methods in dealing with men in different Ages or Dispensations. And I believe that a failure to Rightly Divide that which is written to and for Israel, from that which is written to and for the Church is the source of much of the confusion in the Church over matters of Doctrine and Practice. I pay special attention to the Books of Romans through Philemon, believing that these are the Books that are written not only FOR US, but TO US and ABOUT US as members of the Body of Christ. However, this is not to say that I do not preach and teach out the rest of the Bible, because I do. But I do not apply Doctrine and Practice out of the books addressed to Israel under the Law UNLESS they agree with the Doctrine and Practice found in Romans through Philemon written to the Church under Grace. SALVATION I believe that in this Dispensation of Grace, God justifies ungodly sinners by His Free Grace, upon the grounds of the Blood of Jesus Christ, through the means of Faith. I believe that salvation in the Dispensation of Grace is unearned, unmerited, and surely undeserved on man’s part. ( Rom. 3:24-28, 4:5;5:1,9; Titus 3:5,6; Eph. 2:8,9) ETERNAL SECURITY I believe that all believers in the Dispensation of Grace have received the Atonement of Christ’s Blood for their sins upon believing and because of this fact, they have Eternal Security and DO NOT have to endure unto the END to be saved. I believe that all believers in this Age have an unbreakable relationship as Sons with God the Father and are sealed unto the Day of Redemption by the Holy Spirit. (Rom. 5:1,9,11; I Cor. 1:8; Eph. 4:30; Phil. 1:6; Col 2:8-13) ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ MY HOME PAGE http://www.freewebs.com/garythecrusader/index.htm I might post some more in a few days GRACE & PEACE THe Crusader 24/7/365 |
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Gary Anderson
IP: 71.94.7.113 Apr 12th, 2007 - 10:54 PM |
Re: Post Dispensationalism Issues Here
There are issues that cannot be answered by dispensationalism, Crusader. One is that there is no secret rapture, and only one second coming. Another is that there is no dispensation in which a holy Israel will resume the law or holy sacrifices. The true sacrifice has come, Jesus Christ. More later. |
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Gary The Crusader Is NOT Gary Anderson
IP: 152.163.100.143 Apr 15th, 2007 - 4:13 PM |
Dispensationalism - What I Believe
MAN I believe that man was created by a direct act of God and that he was created in the Image of God. I thoroughly reject the phony and disproved theory of Evolution revised by the darkened minds of lost men. I believe that man has a body, soul, and spirit. I believe that after man sinned against God in Eden that he became totally depraved in body, soul, and spirit. I believe that as a result of sin, man was cut off from relationship and fellowship with God and not only died physically, (Gen. 5:5), but died spiritually as well. I believe that all men are born unto this world in a fallen condition and are sinners in word, deed, and thought. (Eph. 2:1-3; Rom. 3:9-12; 5:12) |
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Gary The Crusader Is NOT Gary Anderson
IP: 152.163.100.143 Apr 15th, 2007 - 4:47 PM |
Dispensationalism - What I Believe
THE RAPTURE AND THE SECOND COMING I believe in the Physical Bodily Resurrection and Rapture of both the living and the dead of the Church to meet The Lord in the air. I believe that event will take place BEFORE the Wrath to Come, and I believe that it can be shown in the Scriptures that the Wrath to Come can be a reference to the whole 7 years of Tribulation as well as the last 3 1/2 years or just the Second Coming itself. I therefore preach and teach a PRRE-tribulation Rapture and NOT a mid or post-tribulation Rapture. I believe that this is the Blessed Hope of the Church and at this event our vile bodies will be changed and made like unto Christ’s own Glorified Body. ( Phil. 3:20-21; I Thes. 4:13-18; I Cor. 15:51-53; Eph. 4:4; I Thes. 1:10;5:9; Rom. 5:9). I also believe that the Second Coming of Christ will take place 7 years later at which event Jesus Christ will come with all His Saints to take vengeance upon them that know not God, and that obey not the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ; to destroy the Anti-Christ; to bind the Devil in the bottomless pit; to create a New Heaven and a New Earth; to set up an Everlasting Kingdom, called the Kingdom of Heaven in the scriptures. (II Thes. 1:7-10; 2:7-9; Rev. 20:1-4; II Pet. 3: 8-14; Matt. 8:11; Dan. 2:44-45). ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ MY HOME PAGE http://www.freewebs.com/garythecrusader/index.htm |
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Gary The Crusader Is NOT Gary Anderson
IP: 64.12.116.201 Apr 16th, 2007 - 10:03 AM |
Dispensationalism - What I Believe - Is "Rapture" in the Bible?
Gary, you've probably heard someone proclaim confidently that rapture is not in the Bible. Many have accepted this challenge to the truth at face value. But contrary to popular belief, the concept and the word "rapture" are in the Bible. "These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so." Acts 17:11 The Root of the Issue The Bible has been translated into many languages from the original languages in which it was written (mainly Hebrew and Koine Greek). We must keep this in mind when we affirm that something is or is not in "the Bible." The common Latin verb "rapere" (root of the English "rapture") is in the Latin Bible (2 Cor. 12:4; 1 Thes. 4:17). It is translated from the original New Testament Greek verb "harpazo." This is where we derive the English word "harpoon" from. Most English Bibles translate it as "caught up." However it could just as easily be translated "carried away," "snatched up," "seized away by force," or "raptured" (see "catch" in Vine's Dict.)! In other words "rapture," "harpazo" and "catch up" are all synonyms in three different languages (Latin, Greek, English) which are in "the Bible." Before saying something is not in the Bible, it must first be defined. "And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." John 8:32 Testing the Rule The word "rapture" may not be in most English translations of the Bible. However, to say that it is not in "the Bible" attains to the ignorance of saying that the Hebrew words Yahweh (LORD) or Yeshua (Jesus or Joshua) are not in the Bible. The same unsound reasoning could also be used to dismiss the legitimacy of the word "Bible." It is not actually in the translated text of the English Bible, but it is a transliteration of the New Testament Greek word "biblion" ("book" in Lk. 4:17). The word "trinity/triunity" is yet another Biblical term not found in the Bible. However the concept of the three persons (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) of the "Godhead" (Rom. 1:20, Col. 2:9) sharing one divine nature is undeniable fact (Deut. 6:4; Mt. 3:16, 28:19; Jn 10:30; 14:16; 1 Cor. 12:4-6; 2 Cor. 5:19; Eph. 1:3-14; Php. 2:6...). Furthermore, in addition to the rapture, many English concepts are also labeled with Latin names (plants, animals, music, grammatics, etc.). For Latin has historically been considered the language of education, religion and science. This same critical examination should be used anytime a sound Biblical doctrine is challenged. Especially on as shaky ground as this. "Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables." 2 Timothy 4:2-4 Conclusion In summary, yes! Rapture is in "the Bible." The Latin derivative "rapture" is a synonym for the English "catch up." Both terms are translated from the Greek "harpazo." All three terms are found in the Bible which corresponds to their respective languages (2 Cor. 12:4; 1 Thes. 4:17). Therefore it is Biblical and perfectly appropriate that the event of First Thessalonians four be referred to as the Rapture. "Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up (harpazo, raptured) together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words." 1 Thes. 4:17-18 MARANATHA!!! (1 Cor. 16:22, Aramaic: "Our Lord, come") ------------------ "Faith Alone in Christ Alone" Believing Christ died, that's HISTORY. Believing Christ died for YOUR sins and rose again, that's SALVATION. Read 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 |
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Gary Anderson
IP: 71.94.7.113 Apr 16th, 2007 - 1:43 PM |
Re: Post Dispensationalism Issues Here
But Crusader, caught up refers to the Second Coming, as Christ will come a second time to judge the earth, not some secret coming before the Second Coming. |
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Gary The Crusader Is NOT Gary Anderson
IP: 152.163.100.143 Apr 16th, 2007 - 8:11 PM |
Dispensationalism - What I Believe - Taken Or Caught Up?
In Matthew 24:37-42, we are told that conditions on the earth prior to the Lord’s coming will be similar to those in Noah’s day. The record in Genesis 6:5-7 states that, "the thoughts of men’s hearts were only evil continually," and, "the Lord was grieved that he made man upon the earth." An honest appraisal of present-day morals must conclude that we are heading in the same direction. To the Lord’s people, it is a comforting thought that when evil has reached its peak, God always calls a halt. It was so in Noah’s day. While the multitude of people were "eating and drinking, marrying and being given in marriage," entirely indifferent to their eternal welfare, suddenly the flood came and took them all away. Only Noah and his family were spared because they had entered the ark. Those who were "taken" died in the flood. "That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. Two men will be in the field. One will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with a hand mill. One will be taken and the other left (Matthew 24:39-41). Taken where? Not to Heaven, as is sometimes taught, but to judgment. The one who is left will enter the kingdom which Christ will have come to establish. To God's people in this present evil age, the Apostle Paul by inspiration tells of a secret coming of Christ (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, 1 Corinthians 15:51,52). Then, instead of being "taken away," members of the Body of Christ will be "caught up" to meet the Lord in the air and "so shall we ever be with the Lord." How wonderful to have this hope of being "caught up" and not "taken away." It can be yours by simply believing the good news, trusting in Jesus Christ for your forgiveness and eternal salvation. "God made Him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God" (2 Corinthians 5:21). "Therefore, having been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ" (Romans 5:1). ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ MY HOME PAGE http://www.freewebs.com/garythecrusader/index.htm |
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Gary Anderson
IP: 71.94.7.113 Apr 21st, 2007 - 11:31 AM |
Re: Post Dispensationalism Issues Here
Crusader I totally disagree with you, as those caught up or taken will go to be with Christ. The idea that they would be taken somewhere else is certainly different, but is also an undermining of faith. See: http://www.newcovenanttheology.com/dispensation.html |
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Gary The Crusader
IP: 205.188.116.5 Apr 23rd, 2007 - 4:17 PM |
Dispensationalism - What I Believe
Are you ready for the Rapture?? YES!!!!! At some future time (we don't know when), before the tribulation, the trump of God and the voice of the archangel will signal the catching away of the true church. Then all of the souls of the Christians who have died will return to their dead bodies, which will be instantly changed to immortal, incorruptible, eternal bodies and come out of their graves. Then we who are left alive will not die, but our bodies will be instantly changed into immortal, incorruptible, eternal bodies. Then we will be caught up into the clouds to meet our fellow Christians who have died and our Lord Jesus Christ in the air. Then we all shall be with the Lord forever. We know this from 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and 1 Corinthians 15:51-55 which are the two places in scripture which speak the most about our being caught up into heaven (commonly referred to as the rapture). This is not to be confused with the second coming of Christ at the end of the tribulation at which times Christ's feet will touch down upon the Mount of Olives (Zechariah 14:4). |
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Gary The Crusader
IP: 205.188.116.5 Apr 23rd, 2007 - 4:46 PM |
Re: Post Dispensationalism Issues Here
THE TRINITY We believe in One God, the Creator and Sustainer of Heaven and Earth, existing eternally in Three Persons: The Father, The Son, and The Holy Ghost. (Duet. 6: 4-5; I Tim. 2:5; Eph. $:4-6; Matt. 28:19; II Cor. 13:14; Rom. 9:5; Matt. 3:16-17; Rom. 8:3-4; Eph. 3:14-17; Rom. 15:30; Eph. 5:18-20; Dan. 7:9-14; I Cor. 8:5-6; II Cor. 1:21-22; Gal. 4:6; II Thes. 2:13) +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ My Home Page http://www.freewebs.com/garythecrusader/index.htm |
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Gary Anderson
IP: 71.94.7.113 Apr 23rd, 2007 - 11:16 PM |
Re: Post Dispensationalism Issues Here
But Crusader, this is Christ's second coming, not a secret rapture. Every eye will see Him. It won't take place in secret. And he does not have to stand upon the mount of Olives because He already did that while He was on earth! See section I at http://www.newcovenanttheology.com/scriptures.html |
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remington4
IP: 61.17.177.48 Jun 14th, 2007 - 3:24 AM |
absolutely right
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Wayne Schlichter
IP: 208.102.145.226 Feb 22nd, 2008 - 9:13 AM |
Re: Post Dispensationalism Issues Here
Did the mount split in two when He stood upon it? What about the 1000 years revealed in Rev. 20? Is Satan now bound in the bottomless pit? What about Rev. 4, ("come up hither... the things after this.") compared to 1Thes. 4, and others? |
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