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Rodger Tutt
 IP: 69.158.51.127 Jan 23, 08 - 10:12 AM |
If you can love a god who would let anyone suffer forever, you might believe ...
If you can love a god who would let anyone suffer forever, then you might believe the postings on this message board that support that belief, and you will not likely be interested in changing your mind. But, if you cannot love a god who would let anyone suffer forever, you can copy and paste the following url into the address bar and find out that the Bible actually teaches universal salvation, not even annihilation. THE SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD Copy and past the following url into the address bar. http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/circularity.htm On that same THE SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD page, there are links to many other writings in the same series that are related to this same subject. As always, the STRONGEST INFLUENCE will dictate what you choose to believe. |
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Rodger Tutt
IP: 69.158.51.127 Jan 23rd, 2008 - 10:14 AM |
The god that Calvinist and Arminian eternal tormentors profess to love
The god that Arminian eternal tormentors profess to love says to his fallen creatures “Unless you are lucky enough to find out about my son during this lifetime, and even if you are that lucky, if you don’t have the good sense to cooperate with my son properly before you die, then I am going to raise you from the dead and I will sustain you alive in an inescapable state of eternal torment forever.” The god that Calvinistic eternal tormentors profess to love says to his fallen creatures "I created most of you for the purpose of torturing you forever. However, I am going to choose a few of you undeserving ones to go to heaven where you will be happy forever." John Calvin said there will be infants a span long in hell because they were not among the elect. (A span is the distance between the tip of the thumb to the tip of the little finger.) And then both the Arminian and Calvinistic eternal tormentors say that the feelings that they have for this god of theirs is “love.” Without God’s sustaining power everyone would cease to exist. So if anyone were to suffer forever, our all-powerful God (Who is Love in essence, not just loving) would be fully 100% responsible for it. We would have to conclude that any definition of the manifestation of “love-in-essence” includes eternally sustaining people alive in an inescapable state of suffering. Thank God the Bible does not teach such an insane idea! Here is what the God that universal transformationists love and worship with complete abandon will do. He will complete the process of salvation for the first fruits of election, (the remnant chosen by grace), after the first resurrection. Then He will complete the process of salvation for the non-elect after the great white throne judgment. For some, it will include an experience in the lake of fire Jesus died on the cross and rose from the dead to guarantee that any necessary "kolasis aionian" (age-during corrective chastisement) will be 100% effective in changing wrong attitudes. All acts of sin have been forgiven for everyone. Attitudes cannot be forgiven. Attitudes must change. This is what the lake of fire which is the second death will do. It will last no longer than God sees is good for everyone involved. You can Google up good articles on this subject by typing in kolasis aionian For anyone who cannot love an endless-hell god. BIBLICAL CHRISTIAN UNIVERSALIST RESOURSES Copy and paste the following url into the address bar http://www.christian-universalism.com/links.html You can Google them up at Christian-Universalism.com ~ Biblical Christian Universalism Also see Information, and frequently asked questions in support of a correctly (literally, not interpretively) translated Bible teaching universal salvation, http://www.tentmaker.org/bloglinks.htm http://www.tentmaker.org/sitemap.html http://www.tentmaker.org/ScholarsCorner.html http://www.christianuniversalist.org If necessary, copy and paste into address bar. and they will learn that the Bible actually teaches universal salvation instead, not even annihilation. Or, they will go to the search engine at the top of http://www.tentmaker.org and will type in a key word or phrase from any argument or scripture passage. Ten articles will come up refuting the claim that the Bible teaches eternal torment. Then they may click to the next page and ten more articles will come up, and so on and so on for many pages. The many entries in my guestbook that is accessed towards the bottom of my front page at http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/ and the many entries at http://www.tentmaker.org/visitorcomments.htm show just how much this information is helping people. This was the information that enabled me to recover from a twelve year nervous breakdown 1966-78, and it gives me great joy to keep learning that it is helping more and more other people too!! I’m 69 I am also going to guide you to the testimony of a man whose experience was almost identical to mine. Even the thought processes that took him into, through, and out of his breakdown are the same as mine. Only he is much more eloquent in telling his story than I am in telling mine. His name is Charles Slagle. http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Absolute-Assurance-in-Jesus-Christ.html |
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Rodger Tutt
IP: 69.158.51.127 Jan 23rd, 2008 - 10:15 AM |
Calvinism, Arminianism, or Universalism. Which view of salvation is true? See
ABSOLUTE ASSURANCE IN JESUS CHRIST – Charles Slagle http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Absolute-Assurance-in-Jesus-Christ.html |
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Rodger Tutt
IP: 69.158.51.127 Feb 4th, 2008 - 7:20 AM |
THE SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD - or, Why Gary the Crusader is mistaken
THE SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD Copy and paste the following url into the address bar. http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/circularity.htm At the top of that same THE SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD page, there is a link to many other writings in the same series that are related to this same subject. |
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