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rodgertutt@sympatico.ca
 IP: 69.158.58.242 Mar 2, 08 - 8:00 AM |
From Rodger Tutt to Gary Anderson regarding your "sticky" message
I sincerely thank you for allowing my posts to remain on your message board. I am confident that the surfers who can benefit from the info that I post will do so. This info was what enabled me to recover from a twelve year nervous breakdown (1966-78) I'm 69 now I keep getting more and more evidence that my info is helping other people in the same way that it helped me i.e. not being able to love and endless-hell god. If you have the time or interest please check out the fifteen chapters at http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/index.htm |
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rodgertutt@sympatico.ca
IP: 69.158.58.242 Mar 2nd, 2008 - 8:01 AM |
Writings that were the CURE, not the cause of my 1966-78 nervous breakdown
My name is Rodger Tutt. I am 69 years old. I could have avoided a horrific twelve year nervous breakdown (1966-78) had I known as a youth about the following information concerning what a correctly (literally, not interpretively) translated Bible teaches. You can access my website through Google by typing in Rodger Tutt, or My website is http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/ You can also access most of the following writings through Google by typing in the title. BOOKS THAT SHOW THAT THE BIBLE TEACHES UNIVERSAL SALVATION, THE ENTIRE CONTENTS OF WHICH CAN BE READ ONLINE If necessary, copy and paste the following urls into the address bar. 0. ABSOLUTE ASSURANCE IN JESUS CHRIST – Charles Slagle http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Absolute-Assurance-in-Jesus-Christ.html 1. HOPE BEYOND HELL - Gerry Beauchemin (recently published) http://hopebeyondhell.net/Revised_Edition.pdf 2. CHRIST TRIUMPHANT - Thomas Allin http://www.tentmaker.org/books/ChristTriumphant.htm 3. THE BIBLE HELL - J.W. Hanson http://www.tentmaker.org/books/TheBibleHell.html 4. THE ORIGIN AND HISTORY OF THE DOCTRINE OF ENDLESS PUNISHMENT – Thomas Thayer http://www.tentmaker.org/books/OriginandHistory.html 5. THE OUTCOME OF INFINITE GRACE – Dr. Loyal Hurley http://www.tentmaker.org/books/infinitegrace.htm 6. JUST WHAT DO YOU MEAN "HELL" - J. Preston Eby http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/hell.htm 7. ONE HUNDRED SCRIPTURAL PROOFS THAT JESUS CHRIST WILL SAVE ALL MANKIND - Thomas Whittemore http://www.tentmaker.org/books/ScripturalProofs.html 8. TWENTY-FOUR SERMONS ON UNIVERSAL SALVATION – John Bovee Dods http://www.tentmaker.org/Bovee2.htm#Top 9. THE SECOND DEATH AND THE RESTITUTION OF ALL THINGS – Andrew Jukes http://www.tentmaker.org/restitutionindex.htm 10. ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY REASONS FOR BELIEVING IN THE FINAL SALVATION OF ALL MANKIND – Erasmus Manford http://www.tentmaker.org/books/150reasons.html 11. THE RICH MAN AND LAZARUS – J. Patching http://www.tentmaker.org/books/RichManandLazarus-Patching.html 12. BIBLE TRANSLATIONS THAT DO NOT TEACH ETERNAL TORMENT - Gary Amirault http://www.tentmaker.org/books/GatesOfHell.html 13. AION – AIONIOS – John Wesley Hanson http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Aion_lim.html 14. BIBLE THREATENINGS EXPLAINED – John Wesley Hanson http://www.tentmaker.org/books/BibleThreateningsExplained.html 15. THE CASE OF JUDAS, ETCETERA http://www.tentmaker.org/books/asw/Chapter16.html 16. THE PROBLEM OF EVIL – John Essex AND THE ROLE OF THE ADVERSARY – James Webb http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/TheProblemofEvil.html 17. HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE – James Coram http://concordant.org/expohtml/HisAchievement/index.html 18. THE GREATEST LOVE STORY NEVER TOLD (recently published) http://www.secretevangel.com:80/ 19. THE SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/index.htm |
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rodgertutt@sympatico.ca
IP: 69.158.58.242 Mar 2nd, 2008 - 8:02 AM |
my testimony
MY TESTIMONY The idea that God lets any creature suffer endlessly has caused me more suffering than all other problems of my life combined. By the time I had reached the mission field I had hoped to have found a satisfactory answer that would justify God allowing this to happen. I didn't find such an answer. Surrounded by thousands of people, dozens of whom were dying every day and beginning an eternity of suffering in hell was too much for me In 1966, at age 28 (I’m 69 now), it caused me to have a nervous breakdown. For several weeks I was confined to my bed in a state of terror night and day. The terror was caused by the fear of what a God I could not love or respect would do to me after I died. It took me twelve years to fully recover from the breakdown. I quickly became agnostic, for the Christian gospel and the Bible were no longer any comfort to me at all. Many evangelical friends tried to help me. They meant well, but in the end they all had only words of condemnation towards me. This added more suffering to my already intense suffering. Gradually I began to learn that there have been, in centuries past, and still are today, a few people in the world that see a different kind of God in the Bible. They see a God who will not let any creature suffer forever. They see a God in the Bible who will change every second of everyone's suffering into something better that it happened, including the sufferings of Satan. I learned that a correctly (literally) translated Bible teaches universal transformation, not endless suffering in hell, or even annihilation. I read dozens of books, and listened to hundreds of tapes by men who believe this way and I gradually became converted to believing this way myself. Since 1981, through my newspaper ads and my telephone ministry, I have sent out many hundreds of packets of literature explaining why I believe as I do. I have also sent this evidence to hundreds of pastors and Bible school teachers. None of them have told me that they are able to refute it. I have also read eight books that were supposed to refute the evidence in favour of universalism, but none of them do. Because of this evidence, my panic attacks became less frequent until twelve years after my breakdown they ceased altogether. Now nothing gives me greater pleasure than to make this evidence available to others who have suffered because of the same problem I had, and I use a substantial amount of my money and time to this end. Because of the enormous amount of suffering the idea of "endless hell" causes in this world, I am asking you to consider the possibility that you should stop endorsing the idea that the Bible teaches it. Or, at least, let others know that there are (and have been in centuries past) people who do not think the Bible teaches it. Many of the responses from pastors and teachers range from a mild: "The majority don't agree with you so you must be wrong", to the vicious "For every week you leave your ad in the papers, God will increase the temperature of the fires of hell for you personally". Most are somewhere in between these remarks. But none have told me they are able to refute the evidence. And, until they can, they will not be able to stop me from sharing the good news that a correctly (literally, not interpretively) translated Bible teaches universal transformation, not endless suffering in hell, or even annihilation. My website is http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/ A website that answers all the arguments that seem to support the idea that the Bible teaches endless suffering in hell is http://www.what-the-hell-is-hell.com/ It is linked to the tentmaker site http://www.tentmaker.org/ where the “scholar’s corner” in the right hand column under “research” deals with every aspect of the subject. The search engine at the top of this same tentmaker page is very comprehensive regarding this subject. Just type in a key word or phrase from any argument or scripture verse and ten articles will appear that refute the endless hell and annihilation doctrines. Then click to the next page and ten more articles will appear, and so on and so on for many pages. I am also going to guide you to the testimony of a man whose experience was almost identical to mine. Even the thought processes that took him into, through, and out of his breakdown are the same as mine. Only he is much more eloquent in telling his story than I am in telling mine. His name is Charles Slagle. You can Google up his testimony by typing in ABSOLUTE ASSURANCE Or you can copy and paste the following url into the address bar http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Absolute-Assurance-in-Jesus-Christ.html You can access my forum through Google by typing in Rodger Tutt. It may well be that a few members or surfers of this form will be able to benefit from the testimonies of Charles and myself. May God's blessing rest with your spirit! From Rodger Tutt in Toronto, Canada “That God may be All in all” 1Cor.15:28 http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/ A website for those who suffer unbearable emotional distress over the idea that God lets anyone suffer forever. It contains my testimony, my son’s tribute, many links, many writings, two forums, a guest book, a chart, and a web ring. Pray with me that your congregation will learn that a correctly (literally) translated Bible teaches universal reconciliation, not endless suffering in hell, or even annihilation. Copy and paste the following url into the address bar and open it up. http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/circularity.htm From Rodger Tutt in Toronto, Canada “That God may be All in all” 1Cor.15:28 |
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rodgertutt@sympatico.ca
IP: 69.158.58.242 Mar 2nd, 2008 - 8:54 AM |
SO MUCH SUFFERING!!
My testimony contains information that, according to the many entries in my guest book, and the many positive emails in my email file folders, is helping many people. My guest book can be accessed towards the bottom of my front page at http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/ Also see the testimonies at http://www.tentmaker.org/visitorcomments.htm My guest book only holds 150 messages. Then the oldest ones are automatically deleted to make room for the newest ones. SO MUCH SUFFERING is caused by the horrific false doctrine of endless suffering in hell, that it gives me great pleasure to guide people to the evidence that a correctly (literally, not interpretively) translated Bible teaches universal salvation, not endless suffering in hell, or even annihilation. We agree with fundamentalist Christians that we should not believe things that go against Biblical teaching. We don’t. I'm 69, and I am acquainted with many people who are, or were in various stages of nervous breakdown over their inability to love a god who would let anyone suffer forever. Even though they have embraced Christ and His gospel, they are afraid of what God might do to them after they are raised from the dead for not being able to love Him. The information in my testimony has helped many of these people. If any member or surfer on this forum is suffering because they are unable to successfully emotionally cope with the idea that God is going to let any creature suffer forever, they can Google up the more than 600 page search engine at the top of the TENTMAKER front page. Just type in a key word or phrase from each argument or scripture passages and ten articles will appear that refute the eternal hell and annihilationist doctrines. Then click to the next page and ten more articles will appear, and so on and so on for many pages. Most fundamentalist Christians are not even aware that there are two sides to the argument about what the Bible teaches. I have exhaustively studied both sides myself. This debate always ends with the words, "My Greek scholars are more reliable than your Greek scholars," and the result is a stalemate. If your readers think it glorifies God more to believe that He is going to let some of His creatures suffer forever, then they should keep believing that. But if they think it glorifies God more to eventually meet everyone on the level of their greatest and deepest need, which is a change in their stubborn will, then I would like them to know that that is exactly what the Bible teaches that God is like. I am a Concordant Christian. I have read and recorded gleanings into my more than four thousand page personal journal from most of the back issues of UNSEARCHABLE RICHES that has been published back to 1909. Every argument that I have ever heard against the Bible teaching universal salvation have been repeatedly dealt with in these magazines. Largely, but not exclusively, because of the contents in these magazines, I am convinced that the evidence in support of the Bible teaching universal salvation is irrefutable. That is why the argument that we should teach endless suffering in hell just in case it might be true is unacceptable to me. IMHO the greatest of all manifestations of God's grace in action on this earth is that anyone can believe in "eternal suffering" for anyone and not have a nervous breakdown thinking about it. Here are several Concordant websites. http://www.concordant.org/ http://www.saviour-of-all.org/ http://gtft.org/ www.gracetruth.com http://www.tentmaker.org/ Regarding arguments against the Bible teaching universal salvation, see http://www.tentmaker.org/books/BibleThreateningsExplained.html Any hell that anyone will experience the Bible calls "kolasis aionian," which means age-during corrective chastisement. http://www.tentmaker.org/books/asw/Chapter11.html It is limited in duration, and corrective in purpose. http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Aion_lim.html Regarding the most common argument that the same word for "punishment" is also used for "life" see the following: All three of these articles should be studied with care, especially the third one. http://concordant.org/expohtml/TheEons/eon1.html http://concordant.org/expohtml/TheEons/eon2.html http://concordant.org/expohtml/TheEons/eon3.html also see: http://concordant.org/expohtml/TheEons/aion.html http://concordant.org/version/tranprin.html I also would like to leave you with one more link. I am going to guide you to the testimony of a man whose experience was almost identical to mine. Even the thought processes that took him into, through, and out of his breakdown are the same as mine. Only he is more eloquent in telling his story than I am in telling mine. His name is Charles Slagle. http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Absolute-Assurance-in-Jesus-Christ.html It may begin to change your thinking. The url of my own site is http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/ God bless you in your study! From Rodger Tutt in Toronto, Canada |
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rodgertutt@sympatico.ca
IP: 69.158.61.34 Apr 14th, 2008 - 3:10 PM |
Calvinism, Arminianism, or Crusader’s Calv-Armininianism, which view is true?
Calvinism, Arminianism, or Crusader’s Calv-Armininianism, which view is true? ABSOLUTE ASSURANCE IN JESUS CHRIST – Charles Slagle http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Absolute-Assurance-in-Jesus-Christ.html |
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rodgertutt@sympatico.ca
IP: 69.158.61.34 May 1st, 2008 - 3:17 PM |
If you cannot love a god who would let anyone suffer forever
If you cannot love a god who would let anyone suffer forever, you can copy and paste (if necessary) the following urls into the address bar and find out that a literally (not interpretively) translated Bible actually teaches universal salvation, not even annihilation. http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/hells_fruit.html THE SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD If necessary, copy and paste the following urls into the address bar. http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/circularity.htm At the top and bottom of that same THE SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD page, there is the following link to fourteen other writings in the same series that are related to this same subject. http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/index.htm |
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rodgertutt@sympatico.ca
IP: 69.158.61.34 May 1st, 2008 - 3:18 PM |
WHY I BELIEVE THE BIBLE TEACHES UNIVERSAL SALVATION
WHY I BELIEVE THE BIBLE TEACHES UNIVERSAL SALVATION http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/index.htm http://sigler.org/eby/savior_of_the_word_series.htm The people who want to keep believing that the Bible proves that everyone deserves to suffer forever in hell just because they were born into this world, or because they don’t make the “right” choice before it’s “too late,” or that God created beings with a will so strong that they can irreversibly choose themselves into a state of eternal torment - these people will keep believing it because they want to. http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/hells_fruit.html But people who want to believe that the Bible nowhere supports such a concept of God will examine the evidence contained in HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE at http://concordant.org/expohtml/HisAchievement/index.html And also here Information, and frequently asked questions in support of a correctly (literally, not interpretively) translated Bible teaching universal salvation, http://www.tentmaker.org/bloglinks.htm http://www.tentmaker.org/sitemap.html http://www.christian-universalism.com/links.html copy and paste into address bar if necessary and they will learn that the Bible actually teaches universal salvation instead, not even annihilation. Or, they will go to the search engine at the top of http://www.tentmaker.org and will type in a key word or phrase from any argument or scripture passage. Ten articles will come up refuting the claim that the Bible teaches eternal torment. Then they may click to the next page and ten more articles will come up, and so on and so on for many pages. The many entries in my guestbook that is accessed towards the bottom of my front page at http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/ and the many entries at http://www.tentmaker.org/visitorcomments.htm show just how much this information is helping people. This was the information that enabled me to recover from a twelve year nervous breakdown (1966-68), and it gives me great joy to keep learning every day that it is helping more and more other people too!! I’m 69 |
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Gary The Crusader
IP: 205.188.116.11 May 7th, 2008 - 3:53 PM |
Mr Rodger Tutt, IF YOU GO TO HELL
If you go to hell, you will learn that it is even worse than being burned in actual fire. Fire was as close as Jesus could come to describing hell in a way you could understand even partially. You cannot understand here and now because you do not grasp how unutterably horrible it will be to be separated from the love of God forever and ever. And, as excruciating the pain of hell will be, it will be made worse and worse. There will be a demon, or Satan himself, who will remind you of the time, or times, when you were presented with the Word of God during your life. Maybe it was a preacher man who said something like “Receive Jesus Christ right now as your Savior and Lord.” But you did not. Maybe it was a book or pamphlet that told you that your religious practices were not going to help you escape the judgment, and that only by turning right now and accepting God’s free gift of salvation, could you be saved from the wrath of God. But you did not. Maybe you figured out that you would make it to heaven when you died, because when you looked around at others, and how they lived, you compared yourself and you decided you were so much “better” that you would be OK. Maybe the church or other group you belonged to told you that as long as you were “in good standing with them” you would be saved finally. Maybe you will be reminded of reading this very tract, and that you laughed at it or ignored it as from some fanatic. The Bible declares that "there is none righteous, no not one" (Romans 3:10). Works do not help here. "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: It is the "GIFT" of God, not of works, lest any man should boast" (Ephesians 2:8-9). "But God demonstrates His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died "FOR" us" (Romans 5:8). "Being now declared righteous by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him" (Romans 5:9). "The righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that BELIEVE" (Romans 3:22). Romans 5:15-21 tells of God's FREE GIFT of His righteousness and eternal life. "...so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord" (Romans 5:21). Receive Christ now ! "AS ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord..."(Colossians 2:6). In Him is forgiveness of sins, God's perfect righteousness, and sure hope of heaven. "In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the good news of your salvation..." (Ephesians 1:13). There is no other way. "In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ" (2 Thessalonians 1:8). "SHARE THIS MESSAGE WITH A FRIEND" ================================ We don't change God's message -- His message changes us. ----------------------------- Mr Rodger Tutt, if you die without Jesus, you will go to Hell, and when you ask God Why? He will tell you He sent the Crusader and you would not listen. +++++++++++++++++++++ My Home Page http://www.freewebs.com/garythecrusader/index.htm My Forum http://pub38.bravenet.com/forum/3187303697 garythecrusader@yahoo.com |
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rodgertutt@sympatico.ca
IP: 69.158.57.84 May 9th, 2008 - 3:13 PM |
I WANT TO GO TO HELL IF THAT'S WHAT GOD SEES I NEED
According to the Bible everyone is going to heaven - some through the fire, but all through the blood. http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/circularity.htm We should desire to experience the lake of fire if God sees that is what we need. That's how much we can relax in the arms of God's love. It is God’s decretive will (that which MUST occur) that everyone violates His preceptive will (that which they OUGHT to do) as much as they actually do because each person is being fitted into God’s master plan in a way that necessitates their own individual experience with sin, evil and suffering. The process of salvation will be completed for the firstfruits of election, (the remnant chosen by grace), after the first resurrection. The process of salvation will be completed for the non-elect after the great white throne judgment. For some, it will include an experience in the lake of fire. But everyone will be saved out of the lake of fire which is the second death. You may ask, “What scriptural evidence is there of being saved out of the lake of fire which is the second death?" There actually is much evidence. Although the book of Revelation is the last book placed in the Bible, it is not the final revelation of what God is going to do with humanity. The apostle Paul saw way beyond John. Col.1:25 of which I became a dispenser, in accord with the administration of God, which is granted to me for you, to complete the word of God There is much evidence that Paul did see way beyond John. For instance, in Revelation there are still kings reigning, and Christ is still reigning along with His followers. There are still sovereignties and powers in force throughout the book of revelation. So John did not see the day when all sovereignty, authority and power would be done away. Paul did. If you will look at 1Corinthians 15:24-28 Paul saw the day when all of these would be done away. He sees the day when "He should be nullifying all sovereignty, authority and power" (vs.24) Paul sees the day when Christ will quit reigning (vs.25). Paul sees the day when death (all death which includes the second death) will be abolished (vs.26). Please remember that death will be abolished **after** all the sovereignties, authorities and powers in Revelation have been nullified. Within the book of Revelation, death is still operational as are the afore mentioned powers. So what is going to happen to all these people who are in death when death is abolished? They will come forth vivified (made alive beyond the reach of death) (1Cor.15:22). They will have their lives justified and will be constituted righteous: Romans 5:18 Consequently, then, as it was through one offense for all mankind for condemnation, thus also it is through one just award for all mankind for life's justifying. Romans 5:19 For even as, through the disobedience of the one man, the many were constituted sinners, thus also, through the obedience of the One, the many shall be constituted just. All will be reconciled to God (Col.1:20) All will be headed up in Christ (Eph.1:10) All will bow the knee in the name of Jesus and acclaim with their tongue that "Jesus Christ is Lord" to the glory of God, the Father (Phil.2:9-11). And we know that anyone who acclaims that Jesus Christ is Lord, especially when it is to God's glory without any hypocrisy is saved for 1Corinthians 12:3 says so. So there is proof that people will go to the second death **when ** the new earth comes. And there is proof that this is not the final goal God has for these people. In summary then: The lake of fire is the second death. The apostle John did not see into the future as far as the apostle Paul. How do I know this? and what ramifications does this have as to whether or not one gets out of the lake of fire...the second death? Plenty. In the book of revelation Christ is still reigning; death is still operational; sovereignties, authorities and powers are still in force. In 1Cor.15:22-28 Paul sees way beyond John's revelation. He sees the day when Christ will quit reigning (1Cor.15:25). He sees the day when all sovereignties, authorities and powers are nullified (1Cor.15:24). He sees the day when death is abolished (1Cor.15:26) and all are then subjected to Christ then Christ is subjected to God and then God is All in all (1Cor.15:28). So, yes, there is scripture which intimates that all in the lake of fire will come forth and God will be All in all. Also in 1Cor.15:22 all are dying and in Christ shall all be vivified. So this happens after death for most. Also in Romans 5:18,19 you have what happens to all mankind due to what Adam did which happens to the exact same all mankind due to what Christ did. But it does not happen to all at the exact same time. Each in his own order. See http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/TheLakeOfFire-Eby.html http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/index.htm |
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rodgertutt@sympatico.ca
IP: 69.158.57.84 May 9th, 2008 - 3:14 PM |
WHAT JESUS AND THE BIBLE REALLY TEACHES ABOUT "HELL"
THE TRUTH ABOUT “HELL” http://www.tentmaker.org/books/OriginandHistory.html http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Prevailing.html http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/index.htm People who want to keep believing in the doctrine of "endless hell" will not read the following four articles. But people who don't want to believe that the Bible teaches "endless hell" will read all four of them and will be filled with great joy at finding out the truth! (If necessary, copy and paste the following urls into your address bar.) What Jesus really taught about "hell." http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/jesusteachingonhell.html What the Bible really teaches about "hell." http://www.tentmaker.org/books/TheBibleHell.html http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Aion_lim.html http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/hell.htm Regarding arguments against the Bible teaching universal salvation, see http://www.tentmaker.org/books/BibleThreateningsExplained.html Any hell that anyone will experience the Bible calls "kolasis aionian," which means age-during corrective chastisement. http://www.tentmaker.org/books/asw/Chapter11.html It is limited in duration, and corrective in purpose. http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Aion_lim.html Regarding the most common argument that the same word for "punishment" is also used for "life" see the following: All three of these articles should be studied with care, especially the third one. http://concordant.org/expohtml/TheEons/eon1.html http://concordant.org/expohtml/TheEons/eon2.html http://concordant.org/expohtml/TheEons/eon3.html also see: http://concordant.org/expohtml/TheEons/aion.html http://concordant.org/version/tranprin.html |
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