Hi Ray, you may remember me as i asked you for advice on here 2 months ago about buying a used 2005 Ford Focus. Bad news: bought the car, but got hit by another car 2 weeks later! Nobody hurt but my car was a total loss so now looking to buy another Focus similar.

I'm looking at making on offer on this car, 2005 Focus ZX5 SES only 35,000km: http://www.lincolnheights.com/used-cars/2005~ford~focus~182233.htm

Not sure what to offer for the car. FYI i live in Ottawa, Ontario so we're talking Canada prices and KM's not miles. Buying it at same dealer i bought my other 2005 Focus ZX5 SES, they are basically identical cars but other had 51,000km, sunroof, tinted windows, and was black. I paid $9700 for the previous car, sticker price was $10400.

This Focus has much lower miles (and a few less options) so not sure what to offer. Their sticker-price is $11888. I'm thinking maybe $10200-$10500? What should i offer?

- also, last time they charged me $330 for admin fees. Won't pay them this time, but how do i reject them without them just adding the $330 to the negotiation price?

- last time they also charged me $180 for theft-protection etching without giving me the option. Is this just a cash-grab that i can reject to pay?

sorry Ray dont mean to be pushy, but if you could answer at least my price question ASAP i would greatly appreciate it as i'm headed to the dealer to try to make a deal Tuesday morning.

35,000km is low and worth somewhere around what you got in mind, but add the extra fees anf the deal then becomes not as attractive.

A few months ago when supply was at a high some dealers were selling these units in GTA for around the $10K range with average Km's

I really like the Km's, start low with final offer as high as $10,700 " adding only taxes and licence " ,,,,, then do the moon walk, the adm fees is a cash cow, and the etching is a total JOKE.

As an afterthought, some dealers will say the etching has been done, and the Adm fees must be on bill of sale.

This will be excepted by you, simply tell then to reduced the negotiated price by that amount to allow these amount on bill of sale.

Thank you so much Ray!! You are the man!

Ray, went into the dealer this morning and they didn't accept my offer so i walked. Gonna email you at paulsenray@yahoo.com (hopefully u still use this email).