Who told you that Toyota doesn't discount from their sticker price? Toyota's Scion line will not discount from the sticker price but unless it's a regional thing Toyota discounts as much as they can/ or need to out here in the PNW. That said if you need a third seat I would stick with the explorer or even the Chev Tahoe...if you want a truly superb top of it's class SUV check out the Buick's ..Wow! I have been a dealer for many years (Chevrolet) and I would never buy a brand new vehicle ...remember when there are rebates on new ones that extra discount flows through to the late or same year models with very low mileage as well. What do I mean? I mean that when Ford puts a 3500 rebate on new 2011 Explorers then the wholesale (and therefore the retail) price of a 2011 Explorer with 5,000 miles falls by almost the same amount which it has to do in order to compete with the new ones. Make sense? Minus a major change in design I would look for a vehicle 1 yr out from the new ones with under 10k miles ...it will save you 1,000's, will usually be certified (better warranty than the new ones) and if certified it will possibly have a sub-vented (factory supported low) interest rate tied to it as well, it will still smell and drive like brand new but will be alot less money (usually) My own mother drives a minivan that fit those parameters when she got it. I was a Ford man before I bought into a Chevy store and if the Tahoe is too big then definitely check out the Buicks and the Ford Explorer...don't fool yourself about the explorers ...Ford has been cranking them out since 91 and any design upgrades have been tried and proven on the same platforms in different models or in europe ..