Thank you for your reply Dr. Getty! I did not receive the book yet, it was shipped last Wed (I thought that Wed. was the day I was receiving it). Anyway, I had read an excerpt from your book on Amazon and decided to begin feeding hay 24/7 as you suggest. I began about 5 days ago and you're right, they do walk away from the piles of hay! I am really hoping that this does the trick for my boy.

Since my original post I did order the Tractguard and have been feeding him a 1/2 dose for the past 3 days (wasn't sure if I should start with a full dose right away). Is it okay to keep him on the Tractguard?

I do have heated water buckets as well as a tank heater. I do not know if it is 50 degrees, but it is not cold. He's just always been a lousy drinker, my other two drink well though.

One more question....since his last colic episode he has been off the daily dewormer so I thought now would be the time to de-worm with the ivermectrin with praziquantal. My question is if I paste deworm him one day, can I begin the daily dewormer the following day or do I need to wait a few days in between?

Thank you for your time and knowledge!

Where are you from? Wisconsin

How did you locate this forum? internet search

Hi Heather,

Your message made me smile -- I'm so pleased to hear that he is now getting all the hay he wants and it's wonderful how it only took 5 days for him to self-regulate his intake.

Your water situation sounds fine. As far as TractGard is concerned, this is an antacid and really should not be used on a daily basis. I prefer to use it when a horse is going to be undergoing a stressful situation such as traveling or training. If you suspect any problem with his stomach or his digestive tract, in general, consider Amiquell. It is not an antacid, but rather a combination of ingredients to heal and soothe. Antacids neutralize acid, which can be harmful since your horse needs acid to eliminate the vast array of microbes he picks up while eating off the ground. Therefore acid is important for his immune function.

Finally, about the deworming... yes, you can use a daily wormer the day after you use the ivermectin/praziquantel paste.

All the best,

Dr. Getty

Where are you from? Bayfield, CO

Thanks Dr. Getty. My gelding is drinking a noticeable difference, I believe it is due to Tractguard (or increase in hay intake?). If Tractguard is not good to give him everyday, what can I give him to continue to drink well? I tried an apple-flavored electrolyte prior to the Tractguard and I didn't really see an increase in his water intake with that particular supplement. If I only give him a 1/2 dose of the Tractguard per day do I still have to worry about the neutralization of his stomach acid?

Will the Amiquell help with gas build-up?

Where are you from? Wisconsin

How did you locate this forum? internet search

Greetings Heather,

Thank you for your patience.

If you are finding that TractGard is making a significant improvement in his water intake, you can continue using it at the smallest dosage necessary to get the effect you need. It is designed to bring more water into the digestive tract, which is your goal.

About gas formation... this is generally an indication of excessive fermentation in the hindgut. It can be due to poor quality forage or if sugar and starch are reaching these microbes. AmiQuell will not assist with gas formation. I have found Ration Plus effective in this regard simply because it keeps these microbes healthy.

So examine his diet to see if there is anything that is reaching the hindgut that is not appropriate or if his hay is too high in indigestible fiber (indicated by a high %NDF).

All the best,

Dr. Getty

Where are you from? Bayfield, CO

Thank you once again Dr. Getty! Just an update, my gelding is starting (again) with a cresty neck, he also has some small fat deposits elsewhere. The vet took blood to test for IR again. I'm concerned about laminitis, the vet said she uses Carb-D or D-Carb for her Cushings horses and that I could put him on that, just to be proactive. I know that you recommend the Quiessence. Is one better than the other? The Quiessensce won't do any damage, even if he is not IR, right? Until the supplement arrives, can I give him the human supplement of Chromium Picolinate and Magnesium? 4 grams of Chromium and 20 grams of Magnesium, right? Thank you again for your time and input!

Where are you from? Wisconsin

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Hi Heather,

D Carb Balance is an excellent supplement for the IR horse but it would require additional magnesium to treat the cresty neck that your horse has developed. And, since it is has other ingredients, it would not go well with any other vitamin/mineral supplementation.

Carb X is a better choice if you're already providing vitamins and minerals, because two ounces would provide 12,000 mg of magnesium and it also contains a herb known as gymnema sylvestri, which helps lower circulating insulin levels. To bring the magnesium up to a therapeutic dosage, you could add one rounded scoop of Quiessence.

Yes, the human supplementation is fine, in the meantime.

If we haven't already discussed it, be sure to have your hay tested for a low percent non-structural carbohydrates (NSC) -- less than 12%.

And no carrots or apples. Skode's treats are a wonderful option.

Keep me posted.

Dr. Getty
Author of Feed Your Horse Like A Horse

Where are you from? Bayfield, CO

Thank you Dr. Getty. I ended up ordering the Quiessence, but oddly enough, before even giving him it, his crest seems to be down. Maybe I'm losing it , but it does seem better, still there, but not that noticeable. At any rate, I gave him 4oz of the Quiessence today, his first dose.

The problem with testing my hay is that I am currently feeding from 3 different suppliers. The growing season was very poor last summer and thus I needed to go to different farmers in order to have enough. I'm hoping that won't be the case this year, I'd like to test the hay that I buy in June and if it is good, then buy all I need for the year. Crossing my fingers....

Thank you for all your time and input!

Where are you from? WI

How did you locate this forum? internet

Hi Heather,

I agree with you -- if you don't have two to three months worth of hay supply, it really isn't feasible to have it analyzed. Sometimes, feedstores have a hay analysis report available. The hay provider may offer the report with the supply, which often gets filed in a file cabinet and forgotten. So, ask the manager if such a report exists.

And soon we'll have a new season, so I like your plan to have enough hay to make it worth your while to have it analyzed.

Regarding Quiessence -- if your horse's crestiness is subsiding, it may not be necessary to give a full 4-scooop dose. The maintenance dose is 1 scoop per 500 lbs. The treatment dose is 1 scoop per 250 lbs. So, somewhere in between may be more appropriate.

All the best,

Dr. Getty
Author of Feed Your Horse Like A Horse

Heather

Thank you Dr. Getty. I ended up ordering the Quiessence, but oddly enough, before even giving him it, his crest seems to be down. Maybe I'm losing it , but it does seem better, still there, but not that noticeable. At any rate, I gave him 4oz of the Quiessence today, his first dose.

The problem with testing my hay is that I am currently feeding from 3 different suppliers. The growing season was very poor last summer and thus I needed to go to different farmers in order to have enough. I'm hoping that won't be the case this year, I'd like to test the hay that I buy in June and if it is good, then buy all I need for the year. Crossing my fingers....

Thank you for all your time and input!

Where are you from? Bayfield

How did you locate this forum? CO